7/15/14

Morning Report – July 15th – The Wild Card Race, Blockbuster Trades, Colon Trade



Coming Later Today –    

           10 00 am - Christopher Soto - 2014 Mets Mid-Season Report Card

           12 noon - Thomas Brennan - TOP PROSPECTS FROM DEEP DOWN UNDER – THIRD IN A 4 PART SERIES

             2 00 pm - Taijeron Named League Player of the Week

            4 00 pm - 2015 Draft Profile  -  LHP  -  Juan Hillman  -  Olympia (FL) HS - UPDATED 7-3-14


Victor Black ‏@Vic_Black_- Be ready @mets fans. This is about to get really good!


Pitchers have a way of starting out a new, higher level assignment as a poof and ADD GCL Mets Brian Taylor to the list. His first start last night was, well you tell me: 2.1-IP, 6-H, 4=-ER charged, 4-K, and 2-BB... ERA: 15.43. Happens all the time to these kids facing a more talents list of hitters. He'll be fine.

Marcus asked –

Mack, I see that you put up the Wild Card race on the sidebar, but removed the race for the top draft pick.

Mack – Yeah, I think the recent upswing deserves us all being a little more positive about the remainder of 2014, but, at the same time, I want to show everyone just how hard it is going to be to climb back over all the teams that currently have a better record than you.
It’s not like every one of these teams are going to go on a 10 game losing streak especially since they all play each other. Someone has to win, right.

The first thing the Mets need to do is win the series they are playing, especially against division rivals. It’s asking too much to sweep.
You want to start passing teams by having less loses than they do, but you really can’t concentrate on anything than winning the game you’re playing.

The Mets may have a better chance winning their own division than getting a wild card invite, but trust me, the Nationals and Braves aren’t going to roll over… but if they split the games they have left against each other, and the Mets win their series against both teams, there actually would be a good chance to pull this off.

For now, concentrate on having less loses that Miami. The sweep this past weekend was outstanding.

Here are the first three series after the All-Star break –

            Mets – Padres, Seattle, Brewers
Dodgers – Cards, Pirates, Giants
            Giants – Miami, Phillies, Dodgers
            Nats – Brewers, Rockies, Reds
            Braves – Phillies, Miami, Padres
            Pirates – Rockies, Dodgers, Rockies
            Reds – Yankees, Brewers, Nats
            Brewers – Nats, Reds, Mets
            Cards – Dodgers, Tampa Bay, Cubs
            Miami – Giants, Braves, Houston

There are 12 series listed above that teams in the National League wild card race do not  play against teams they are trying to beat in this race… however, there are nine other series in which they play each other.

This guarantees 27 loses for teams in this race in just the next three series.
Let’s repeat that… 27 loses in just the next three series.

You can’t expect the Mets to play .800 ball like they just did for the past 10 games, but .700 isn’t out of the question. My guess is that both Washington and Atlanta are going to make it to the playoffs so the Mets best chance is going to be the third team out of that division.

Let’s say the Mets do play .700 ball for the next 30 games.  That would add nine loses to their current total of 50 giving them a new win-loss record of 66-59.
Now, you have St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh play .500 ball during the same 30 game period. They would then have, in the same order, 59, 59, and 61 loses. Three series and boom, the Mets just have to past either the Giants or Dodgers for the second wild card slot.

No, it’s not that easy, but things do get a lot easier if win the majority of the games you play, especially against the teams you are trying to pass in this quest.
As they say, win the series.

The race is on!


Yesterday’s comments were once again dominated by the dreams of a blockbuster trade for the Mets. I used to dream about these things too, but I think Christopher Soto put it best… you can’t have a blockbuster trade unless you are trading an established start at a position in which you have the depth to pull something like this off.

The only position we are close to having that kind of depth is starting pitching and the main reason we don’t right now is all the injuries we have had to current and future pitchers projected for that infamous ‘dream rotation’ we always talk about.
We can keep talking about this but (IMO) it simply isn’t going to happen. Sandy Alderson doesn’t build teams this way and he didn’t go this far into his multi-year plan to blow it all up.

I wish I had a crystal ball and could look ahead and see how some of these guys turn out. Will Juan Lagares someday become Carlos Gomez? Look how many years the baseball world gave up on him? Is there another Jacob deGrom in the system? Hell, if not, is there at least another Collin McHugh?

This recent 8-2 run just killed all those (if any) plans to sell off parts of this team. You just can’t do it out of respect for the players that go out there every day on the field (I still think there is a [possibility for a Bartolo Colon deal, but that’s about it).

I hate to be the baseball-Nazi, but I’m sorry folks. No Tulo for you. 




Adam Rubin wrote during the break that ‘industry sources’ have told him that Bartolo Colon is being sought by teams. He also stated that the Mets would be looking for an upgrade at shortstop and a fulltime left fielder to join Juan Lagares and Curtis Granderson in the outfield.

Yes, the Mets are no longer considered ‘sellers’ during this all-star break; however, they can still get away with trading one of their starters. Colon makes sense to the Mets because of his two year contract. He also would bring a much larger return than Daisuke Matsuzaka, who has no future to the Mets past this season.

Colon’s contract is actually pretty trade-friendly in today’s world of bloated salaries.
All of this would make a lot of sense if it was timed to Jon Niese’s return. Both Rafael Montero (currently in rehab at GCL) and Noah Syndergaard could become the emergency 6th and 7th starters if either Niese, Dillon Gee, Matsuzaka, Jacob deGrom, or Zack Wheeler were to go down with an injury.

What kind of quality return could the Mets get with a deal like this? Well, actually, a pretty good one from some teams.


Hangon. 

Exciting times.



18 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Yep, exciting times indeed. I'd like to see the Mets start off the 2nd half by winning 9 of 10. Why not? After all, hitters are hitting, pen is strong and with the break, will be rested, and the starters are impressing the heck out of everyone and Niese is back, and Montero almost ready. And San Diego is the first opponent and sometimes a heating-up team can really start to go full throttle if a weak opponent allows them to get turbo-charged.

Chris Young (unless he is starting to do his best 2nd half 2012 Ike imitation) still must go, and I'd recall Wilmer (a better hitter) to give the team IF/OF balance. Reynolds may be ready but could use more time in AAA, so I think I'd hold off on him. And if Rubin is correct, the next two weeks will be very intriguing.

Mack Ade said...

I agree on most of what you said other than the Flores/Young move.

Right now, I don't move anyone around while the chemistry is working and the only deal I work on is a Colon trade for a left fielder of note

Michael S. said...

Blockbuster trades don't require established starters.

Teixeira? Cliff Lee? Roy Halladay? Carlos Delgado?

Mike Piazza for Yarnall, Goetze, and Preston Wilson?

Johan Santana?

We need young talent to trade which we now have up and down the board.

Unknown said...

They got a good return from a month rental in Byrd & Buck, that looks even better based on performance of Black and Herrara. Colon would be more than a rental with a year and a half left on his contract. I would expect a similar type of return for Colon. We should be able to get prospect in the Organization Top 10.

Piscotty from the Cardinals maybe?

Michael S. said...

Trade Colon for the BPA (prospect) to add more to the war chest for the offseason.

Anonymous said...

I think that was Blake Taylor for Kingsport, but no biggie. I cant see any blockbuster trades until the off-season, no need to make a deal mid-season under duress and it also allows some of their prospects additional time to advance. seeing if Herrara can maintain, Nimmo can adjust and also to see if Comforto hits early would advance their understanding of what needs they may be able to fill internally. could definitely see Colon going because he would likely bring a nice return in a scarce market for reliable starting pitching and clearing his $11M next year, along with unblocking others in the rotation would be a smart move. he has been good for the Mets this year and could prove to be a reliable veteran for the young bucks next year, but if he can get a nice piece back that would improve an off-season package for blockbuster, that I think it makes sense

Mack Ade said...

Anonymous -

you make sense

you can't tell your team that you want them to try and make the playoffs and then start cleaning out some of the lockers...

the one exception to that would be Colon

Mack Ade said...

Michael -

I just don't see the Mets having the players to make a blockbuster trade, that's all.

Reese Kaplan said...

If Murphy has a big All Star game -- a key hit, for example -- will that open some eyes amongst the other GMs?

Robb said...

If im trading Colon, which i would. bc (wheeler, Gee, Niese, Degrom and Syndergaarden) sounds great three weeks from now. Im trying to get chips for an offseason blockbuster. Same about Murphy in the offseason. Its not necessarily about getting a ss/lf in the trades its about getting assets that can get you those players. So im probably trying to get High A, double AA real pitching prospects to move on. basically what wheeler was when we traded for him.

Michael S. said...

We'll have to agree to disagree Mack :)

I think we finally have the pieces plus whatever Colon and possibly Murphy can return.

I'm seeing next year's rotation as Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Syndergaard, DiceK with Matz as a midseason call up.

That frees up deGrom, Gee, and Montero for trade. With Flores's age and the way he hits at AAA I think he's going to have value to a lot of teams. Travis seems to have fixed his hitting woes and should only improve, freeing up one of the best catching prospects in baseball in Plawecki.

Gee
deGrom
Montero
Flores
Plawecki
Colon prospect
Murphy prospect

Is had a lot of quality and quantity to it.

I'm not saying trade 7 for 1, but we have a lot of excess to trade from.

Anonymous said...

Probably not, Murphy is a pretty well known commodity and one hit in the AS game is not likely to significantly change any thinking on what kind of player he is.

Dallas said...

"nice return in a scarce market for reliable starting pitching" There are 65 pitchers with an ERA less than 4.00. Colon rounds out slot 65 with a 3.99. A 4 era was pretty good a few years ago but now looks mediocre (Colon's ERA was hurt by like really bad outings so its an outlier to some extent). Maybe I'm wrong but finding reliable SP seems a lot easier than finding a solid position player these days. New era of the pitcher.

Honestly I think we are overselling the Braves. Their run differential is less than ours. I'm not sure they are much better than a 84 win team that had a good first half. The Nationals on the other hand have the best run differential in the National League and will probably be a bigger challenge in the 2nd half.

Mack, your comments have been whacky. Half the time it erases what I post and I have to try multiple times. I learn to copy/paste it so I don't lose it again but its aggravating. Anyone else having this problem?

Michael S. said...

How about going after Matt Joyce at the deadline in addition to selling off Colon and maybe Murphy? He'd add more offense and plays a competent LF...and he's cheap.

The Rays are out of it and I don't know what it would cost, but thinking about next year a lineup that includes Joyce could look something like

1.
2. RF Granderson
3. 3B Wright
4.
5. 1B Duda
6. Ca d'Arnaud
7. LF Joyce
8. CF Lagares

If Joyce doesn't cost much and we can add a legitimate cleanup hitter, that lineup would be solid (maybe more) top to bottom.

Plus, Granderson and Joyce would allow the Mets to fill two needs at once - fill positions of need with quality ball players as short term solutions until Nimmo and Conforto are ready. He's be a good placeholder, not just a bandaid.

Mack Ade said...

Dallas -

I'm sorry about the site. The technical side is a mess and Christotpher Soto (who knows how to do this shit) has been all over the problem and he can't fix it.

I'm sure it is costing me readers

Dan B said...

I'm with Mike S. We have plenty of quality MLB or MLB ready pieces to trade.

We can’t trade the following players
1B Duda
3B Wright
RF Granderson
CF Lagares
C d'Arnaud
SP Harvey

We have so much quality starting pitching that we need to trade some to let us promote the lower level guys.

If you start the rotation with Harvey you also have Gee, Niese, Colon, Wheeler, Thor, deGrom, Montero with Matz not far behind. That's 9 starting pitchers for 5 spots. I know you always need depth but these guys are just too good to be depth.

That's why it's so important that we have Hefner on the mend and Torres, both of who can start in the pen and contribute a ton there but also step into the rotation if someone goes down for 5 or 6 starts.

Provided we don't turn into a MASH unit, which can happen to any team obviously, we have some real depth there even after trading away 2 SP in a package. My pick would be to trade Gee and Montero, 1 inexpensive Vet with 2 years of control and a solid mid rotation SP ready to come up.
Ideally I'd trade Colon at the break for the best SP near MLB ready prospect I can who would instantly become serious trade bait as well and free up his 11 mil next year. In an ideal world my opening day rotation would be in order, Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, deGrom, Thor. Matz would start at AAA and become an emergency staring option once he passes super 2 time.

On the position side I would prefer to extend Murph since I think we won’t get his true value back in a trade (though if we do he’s certainly movable.)

If Murph stays Flores HAS to be traded. Pawlecki can be traded. Even Nimmo can though I’d prefer not to trade him if we can avoid it.

That gives you ideally Gee, Montero, Colon prospect, Flores, Pawlecki as just the top of a trade package. That’s a proven MLB pitcher with 2 years of reasonable control, 1 quality MLB prospect knowicing at the door, a power 3B in Flores one of the best catching prospects in the game and I’m not even going for the high upside guys below AA which could be some serious icing on this trade cake.

We have the bullets to make a blockbuster team changing trade. The question is, who will we be competing against, availability of players and timing. Circumstances count almost as much as having the trade pieces and you need a few stars to align in order for a trade of this magnitude to get done.

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IBfromWhitePlains said...

Blockbuster trades are fun to think about, but I'd hate to see the Mets trade any pitching talent, especially the often mentioned Gee and DeGrom. These guys are too valuable. DeGrom can pitch, period. Trade Murphy? Madness, if you ask me.

This team is very close. If it was me, I'd try to get a quality lefty arm for the bullpen and hope it doesn't cost me too much talent. Flores, maybe Plawecki and another chip. Those are the quiet deals that can put you over the top. And, of course, pray for a little more production out of SS/LF. I CAN be done
LGM.